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11 years 6 months ago #31 by SouthernSteel

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  • A second bracket or whatever would be fine with me, assuming there are/were enough people interested to make it worthwhile. I was thinking of something along these lines anyway to accomodate those going out in the 1st round, maybe a bracket to play for 3rd place or something? (I'm no whiz on brackets)

    If nothing else we could speed things up and do, say 2 matches per week, but that all depends on everyone's schedules. Still, as most of the people involved play basically every night, we should have good flexibility that way.

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    11 years 6 months ago #32 by Little Powell

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  • SouthernSteel wrote: A second bracket or whatever would be fine with me, assuming there are/were enough people interested to make it worthwhile. I was thinking of something along these lines anyway to accomodate those going out in the 1st round, maybe a bracket to play for 3rd place or something? (I'm no whiz on brackets)

    If nothing else we could speed things up and do, say 2 matches per week, but that all depends on everyone's schedules. Still, as most of the people involved play basically every night, we should have good flexibility that way.


    Yeah we'd have to figure out the best way to do this. Hmm.. This is making my brain hurt.. :laugh:

    So the current tournament going on should be Tournament 1 - Week 2. This tourney goes on until a Champion is determined.

    The losers of that tournament can move to Tournament 2 - Week 1 if they wish, as well as new players can join.

    The only problem with this though; you can still be a tournament champion even if you lose in another tournament.. How do we differentiate the tournament types from each other to recognize the true undefeated champion? I guess we'll just have to make it clear that the winner of tournament 1 is the undefeated champ?

    Man, and I thought the BCS was complicated... :laugh:

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    11 years 6 months ago #33 by KG_Soldier

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  • The 2nd tournament should be 2 v 2.

    There's no reason the guys still playing in tournament 1 can't also play in tournament 2.

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    11 years 6 months ago - 11 years 6 months ago #34 by Kerflumoxed

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  • Little Powell wrote:

    SouthernSteel wrote: A second bracket or whatever would be fine with me, assuming there are/were enough people interested to make it worthwhile. I was thinking of something along these lines anyway to accomodate those going out in the 1st round, maybe a bracket to play for 3rd place or something? (I'm no whiz on brackets)

    If nothing else we could speed things up and do, say 2 matches per week, but that all depends on everyone's schedules. Still, as most of the people involved play basically every night, we should have good flexibility that way.


    Yeah we'd have to figure out the best way to do this. Hmm.. This is making my brain hurt.. :laugh:

    So the current tournament going on should be Tournament 1 - Week 2. This tourney goes on until a Champion is determined.

    The losers of that tournament can move to Tournament 2 - Week 1 if they wish, as well as new players can join.

    The only problem with this though; you can still be a tournament champion even if you lose in another tournament.. How do we differentiate the tournament types from each other to recognize the true undefeated champion? I guess we'll just have to make it clear that the winner of tournament 1 is the undefeated champ?

    Man, and I thought the BCS was complicated... :laugh:


    Need an example of Tournament Play with a consolation bracket...just look at the College World Series to see how it works! :huh:

    J

    PS: Don't reinvent the wheel...here is a site that will have everything you need for brackets and scheduling including odd number of players, byes, consolation brackets, etc. Incidentally, when I was a HS AD, there were only "books" showing how to schedule tournaments! What I wouldn't have given for this type of information back when!

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    11 years 6 months ago #35 by Little Powell

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  • KG_Soldier wrote: The 2nd tournament should be 2 v 2.

    There's no reason the guys still playing in tournament 1 can't also play in tournament 2.


    Good point. So players can play in any tournament, regardless if they have won or lost in another one. And maybe after a while, we can have a Championship Game where the players with the most wins compete... There are so many possibilities. :)

    Thanks for the feedback guys.

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    11 years 6 months ago #36 by Little Powell

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  • Kerflumoxed wrote:

    Little Powell wrote:

    SouthernSteel wrote: A second bracket or whatever would be fine with me, assuming there are/were enough people interested to make it worthwhile. I was thinking of something along these lines anyway to accomodate those going out in the 1st round, maybe a bracket to play for 3rd place or something? (I'm no whiz on brackets)

    If nothing else we could speed things up and do, say 2 matches per week, but that all depends on everyone's schedules. Still, as most of the people involved play basically every night, we should have good flexibility that way.


    Yeah we'd have to figure out the best way to do this. Hmm.. This is making my brain hurt.. :laugh:

    So the current tournament going on should be Tournament 1 - Week 2. This tourney goes on until a Champion is determined.

    The losers of that tournament can move to Tournament 2 - Week 1 if they wish, as well as new players can join.

    The only problem with this though; you can still be a tournament champion even if you lose in another tournament.. How do we differentiate the tournament types from each other to recognize the true undefeated champion? I guess we'll just have to make it clear that the winner of tournament 1 is the undefeated champ?

    Man, and I thought the BCS was complicated... :laugh:


    Need an example of Tournament Play with a consolation bracket...just look at the College World Series to see how it works! :huh:

    J

    PS: Don't reinvent the wheel...here is a site that will have everything you need for brackets and scheduling including odd number of players, byes, consolation brackets, etc. Incidentally, when I was a HS AD, there were only "books" showing how to schedule tournaments! What I wouldn't have given for this type of information back when!


    Sounds like a great site. Did you forget the link? ;)

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    11 years 6 months ago #37 by Kerflumoxed

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    11 years 6 months ago #38 by Little Powell

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  • Kerflumoxed wrote: Oh, you want the link? Why, yes, there is a link...and, yes, I forgot to include it!:blush:

    www.google.com/images?hl=en&q=tournament+brackets&rlz=1R2ADFA_enUS374&wrapid=tlif12904534465481&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=lsPqTKWEI4bEsAOg9pCxCw&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=2&ved=0CC8QsAQwAQ&biw=1073&bih=534

    There you go.

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    Thanks.

    I'm going to give it until the end of today to see if anyone else offers feedback, but I think I'll probably go with KG_Soldiers idea. There will always be more than one tournament going on and players can participate in any tournament, no matter if they have lost or not. So if you lost in Tournament 1, you can try again for Tournament 2. If you won in Tournament 1, you can also try to keep your streak going in Tournament 2. That ways players can keep competing every week.

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    11 years 6 months ago #39 by Kerflumoxed

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  • Here you go, Matt, a site that lists exactly what you need or may be looking for. An 8-team (or man) tournament with the 4 winners advancing to the next round with those that lost moving to the consolation bracket. The ultimate winner of the consolation bracket ends up in third place.

    Click on this link, select 8 man tourney and look at the spread sheet. This would, IMHO, be the perfect set-up for the current game, but....

    www.wvmat.com/brackets/brackets.htm

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    11 years 6 months ago #40 by Little Powell

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  • Kerflumoxed wrote: Here you go, Matt, a site that lists exactly what you need or may be looking for. An 8-team (or man) tournament with the 4 winners advancing to the next round with those that lost moving to the consolation bracket. The ultimate winner of the consolation bracket ends up in third place.

    Click on this link, select 8 man tourney and look at the spread sheet. This would, IMHO, be the perfect set-up for the current game, but....

    www.wvmat.com/brackets/brackets.htm

    J


    Hey, I like it. Keeps people playing and it determines the true undefeated champ, while allowing everyone to keep playing. Thanks a bunch J!

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    11 years 6 months ago #41 by BillyYank1863

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  • KG_Soldier wrote: The 2nd tournament should be 2 v 2.


    +1

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    11 years 6 months ago #42 by Baldwin

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  • Replied by Baldwin on topic Re: Questions/Suggestions
    The question is do we pick our teammate or will it be random? :huh:

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    11 years 6 months ago #43 by Little Powell

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  • Baldwin wrote: The question is do we pick our teammate or will it be random? :huh:


    Good question. I'd say you can pick your teammate if you like. And if there are players that don't care, I can randomize it.

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    11 years 6 months ago - 11 years 6 months ago #44 by SouthernSteel

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  • Well hey it looks like I knew better than I said. I'm all for implementing the second bracket for the first tournament. That means more games for everyone, which is hardly a bad thing, right?

    Edit: Already done, I just hadn't read that far yet. Good on ya.

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    11 years 6 months ago #45 by Little Powell

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  • SouthernSteel wrote: Well hey it looks like I knew better than I said. I'm all for implementing the second bracket for the first tournament. That means more games for everyone, which is hardly a bad thing, right?

    Edit: Already done, I just hadn't read that far yet. Good on ya.


    Yessir, the consolation bracket was a great suggestion from Kerflumoxed. :)

    So our tournament is now Double Elimination. 1st place goes to the undefeated champ, second place goes to the player that he beat during the championship round, 3rd place goes to the winner of the consolation bracket.

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    11 years 6 months ago - 11 years 6 months ago #46 by NY Cavalry

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  • I would request that players would have a week to complete the games, rather than the set time on Friday. From the time the brackets are up, the players would schedule the game between themselves. If the game is not completed by Friday then a time on Friday will be set.

    I'm not going to play on Friday night, but I would play a game some time during the week. With this rule, if I joined a tourney and my opponent new this and refused to schedule a game with me during the week and waited until Friday, knowing I wasn't going to show and therefor wins by default, then so be it.
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    11 years 6 months ago #47 by Little Powell

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  • NY Cavalry wrote: I would request that players would have a week to complete the games, rather than the set time on Friday. From the time the brackets are up, the players would schedule the game between themselves. If the game is not completed by Friday then a time on Friday will be set.

    I'm not going to play on Friday night, but I would play a game some time during the week. With this rule, if I joined a tourney and my opponent new this and refused to schedule a game with me during the week and waited until Friday, knowing I wasn't going to show and therefor wins by default, then so be it.

    Karma is gone. Someone was having fun knocking my karma and now their fun has been stopped. I see this is a mistake. I'd rather have some guy knock my karma than kicking the cat and beating his wife.


    Well the Friday game time has pretty much turned into a suggested time anyway. As you can see in the individual tournament topics, as long as the game is finished by the end of the week, players can play the game anytime they like. Thanks NY Cav.

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