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4 weeks 2 days ago #1 by cliometrician

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  • Recently I've chronicled some of the problems I've been having, but things reached their nadir tonight. I have been trying to play a solitaire game, without success. My mods selected initiatly were B&F XIX, Peninsula Campaign of 1862, and NGCM Maps 1. When the game comes up, I hit "map" and the game crashes. I then when through all sorts of combinations with different maps, different OOBs, it just didn't matter, every time I went to hit "map" the game crashed.

    I went back to B&F XII, but no luck.  Whatever mods I had selected, every game crashed immediately when I tried to look at the mini-map.
    What could be causing this problem?
    My wit's end is in sight.

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    4 weeks 2 days ago #2 by RebBugler

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  • Replied by RebBugler on topic From Bad to Worse
    So, when you disable the mod 'NGCM Maps 1' the game still crashes when you select the mini map command?

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    4 weeks 2 days ago #3 by cliometrician

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  • Replied by cliometrician on topic From Bad to Worse
    Reb, yes, I tried several different map mods and they all crashed (Lynchburg, Manassas, etc.) Never seen anything like it.

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    4 weeks 1 day ago #4 by cliometrician

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    Ah, this must be the culprit. Here the part of the last log:
    11:00:01 ERROR LOADING MAP_ICONS.TGA
    I had deleted the map_icons.tga in order to try and enlarge the icons on the mini-map.

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    3 weeks 3 days ago #5 by cliometrician

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  • Replied by cliometrician on topic Same old, same old
    Back to my computer after my wife had knee replacement four days ago. After I tried a solitaire game using the NGCM Random Maps 1, B&F XIX, and Peninsula Campaign 1862. The game lasted about 10 minutes before it crashed. The log indicated that maps were the problem: ID NOT Found for orchards and farm.

    So, I changed maps to the Manassas Map. This time the game crashed after about five minutes, and I can see nothing on the log that went wrong. I have attached the log.

    I have used the Peninsula Campaign 1862 for years, ever since it was published. Ever since I got my new computer every game has crashed, some after more than one hour of play.
    I don't know what else to do. Any and all help will be greatly appreciated.

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    3 weeks 3 days ago #6 by RebBugler

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  • Replied by RebBugler on topic Same old, same old
    I don't think your new computer or Win10 is causing your crashes.  I bought a new computer with Win10 last year and it plays the game better than ever.  What I do think is that you have map mods interfering with each other and thus the crashes.  It's a known fact that map mods are generally the main culprit when the game crashes or behaves abnormally.  I suggest you only enable one map mod at a time when you play a game.  It may be inconvenient, but you only can play on one map at a time anyway, so it may be worth trying out if it solves the issues that you're having.

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    3 weeks 2 days ago #7 by cliometrician

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  • Replied by cliometrician on topic Same old, same old
    Thank you, Reb, for your prompt reply. When my problems began I disabled every map mod except the one being used. For example, with these last two crashes the only mods I had enabled were a single map mod (Manassas in the last one), Peninsula Campaign 1862, and B&F XIX. When I changed OOB, Gettysburg for instance, the game still crashed.

    Am I at the point where I need to reinstall the game? I was hoping for a solution other than that. Don't know what else I can do.

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    3 weeks 2 days ago #8 by RebBugler

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  • Replied by RebBugler on topic Same old, same old
    Yes, I concur, reinstall the game.  Since you inadvertently deleted the Map_icons.tga file from the base game (when you should have deleted that file from the B&F mod), you may have inadvertently changed something else previously.  Just as a stern reminder, never mess with the base game files, that's what mods are for.

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    3 weeks 2 days ago #9 by cliometrician

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  • Replied by cliometrician on topic Same old, same old
    Reb, I reinstalled the game today. Two games attempted, two games crashed (one lasted 3 min, the other 10 min), using the same maps and OOB I've used for years. I was using B&F XIX.
    Trying different combinations later today.

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    3 weeks 1 day ago #10 by RebBugler

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  • Replied by RebBugler on topic Same old, same old
    If you avoided using any of the GCM maps like I advised, then maybe there's an app on your computer that's causing a conflict.  Try turning off your anti-virus when running a game if all else fails.

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    3 weeks 1 day ago #11 by cliometrician

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  • Replied by cliometrician on topic Same old, same old
    Reb, I just tried playing a game without a single mod enabled, and for the first time in three weeks the game did not crash.  But playing without any mods is, well, a little dull compared to using those great mods I've been used to over the years.

    I'll check the anti-virus as you suggested.
    Thank you.

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    3 weeks 1 day ago #12 by Jolly

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  • Replied by Jolly on topic Same old, same old
    You could try adding your favourite mods one at a time to check which ones are causing any problems.
    Some mods also need to be in the correct order - ie below or above others in the mod listings. Usually there is a readme with some mods, which has information on the order the mod should be in relation to others.

     
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    3 weeks 19 hours ago #13 by cliometrician

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  • Replied by cliometrician on topic Same old, same old
    A Ray of Hope

    I played a two and a half hour game today, and it did not crash. Actually, I just got my troops on their way, then set the speed on high and left them alone. I used three mods:  B&F XIX, Peninsula Campaign of 1862, and NGCM 1.

    If those three mods work consistently, then I won't need to try any others. I'll try MP in a few days and see how it goes, but at least there is light at the end of the tunnel.

    Many thanks, Reb, for all your help. Wish me luck!

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    1 week 1 day ago #14 by cliometrician

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    After many game crashes I took my old computer, which had died a painful death, to a computer guru. He brought it back to life, so I tried playing SOWG solitaire. No problem. Everything worked. 

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    File Name: SOWGB_2021-06-07.log
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    Then I tried MP with my friend. Each game we tried lasted 11-13 min. and then kicked us out. So I got an IT guy, he tinkered with my computer, and last night I set a MP game for 40 min, just to see if we could get past that 13 min. limit. And we did. I felt very good until I looked at the log. Looking at it, I don't see how we lasted 40 min. 
    Reb, please take a look at the log. Would love your input. Thanks.

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    1 week 1 day ago - 1 week 20 hours ago #15 by RebBugler

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  • Replied by RebBugler on topic Same old, same old
    Same old, same old suggestions...

    Update B&F and ditch the GcmRandomMaps4 mod, it's probably causing the terrain errors. I found the download thread for GcmRandomMaps4 and it requires a companion mod to run correctly. At that point you had supposedly gotten things in hand so I didn't share this find.

    The Bad Formation Error is most likely an OOB error. By the number of errors the OOB has possibly been corrupted by an added or deleted column in the OOB file.

    That's all I've got, Good Luck

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    1 week 10 hours ago #16 by RebBugler

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    More on the 'Bad Formation' error...

    Possibly you used an old, pre-2010, OOB that never got the 'mod' column added that occurred with a later SOW update.  That would explain the multiple errors.  It's an easy fix, post it here and we'll get it fixed up, posted for a return download, and explain how you can fix any future old OOBs you run across.

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    1 week 9 hours ago #17 by cliometrician

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    Thank you for the follow-up, Reb. By posting the OOB we are using I assume you mean just post the name. Hope that's right. We always use the Peninsula Campaign 1862 mod and specifically, "Glendale_Jackson What If"
    I finally took your advice and we ditched GCM RandomMaps4, but hope to use the NGCM RandomMaps1 when my friend installs it. He is still having trouble installing the B&F XIX, so today we still used XII.
    But for the good news, we played a full two-hour game today with no problems, and that's the first time we've been able to play a full game in about six weeks.
    So thank you for your help and patience during this last month. You've helped make two old guys, my friend and me, very happy. We tell our wives that it's playing SOWG that keeps us out of saloons, so they thank you as well.

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    6 days 22 hours ago #18 by RebBugler

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    Glad to hear you got an uninterrupted play in with your bud, hopefully you'll both get B&F updated to the modern version, it's even more efficient in keeping folks out of saloons.

    Regarding the OOB issue, to check it out we need the files. Best to just zip the OOBs folder in the mod with issues, and attach it here. If one OOB has that issue, they all probably do.

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