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Ephrum wrote:
How many ACW manuals do you have Kerflumoxed?

BOSTON, I have the same problems resupplying that you do. No matter the formation. When I resupply, I send the wagon double quick past the regiments or guns and select the given commander, and click the formation button they were in to make them get back in line. Yes it's a pain, but I've been doing it for so long now that I really don't think about it. However, like you, I don't understand why the units go for a stroll when resupplied.
Have never taken the time to count. The collecting of these manuals has become a hobby in itself...and it is always nice to be able to go to the primary source. Fortunately, many of the main manuals have been reproduced which allows me to not "thumb" through the originals. I am ashamed to admit that before they were reprinted, I was the cause of a couple of these to literally fall apart.

There are many that I have not been able to locate or could justify the price. Such "small" manuals such as "Evolution of the Line." In this case, it is a simple adaptation of the "U.S. Infantry & Rifle Tactics."

My favorites include the various Cavalry manuals with Patton's manual at the top of the list. I spent several years portraying cavalry in Living History demos and working during my summers in various films.

My rarest manual, next to an original Confederate manual titled Gilhams which was written (or compiled) by Major Wm. Gilham, an instructor at VMI who served at the same time that Jackson was in instructor there. (Incidentally, there is a little known story about why Gilham was forced to leave active service under Jackson and return to VMI early in the war. Still very "hush-hush" on the VMI campus.) Anyway, my rarest manual is an original Confederate "Manual for Guides..." which detailed on the guides for the infantry lines were directed. A small manual with a blue cloth cover and a color plate glued to the cover depicting the early Confederate first national flag.

Whoops....sorry to be so long-winded.

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And with all the best intentions!
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BOSTON wrote:
I never considered the historical munitions supplied, I just thought it was cool that a battery with a large amount of shot meant that it would be a long time before having to resupply it. Where there had been so-o-o much canister used at GB I had to wonder how it is going to be managed in the game?
Boston, that is certainly a good question! In TC2M, cannister never seems to run out...which is a GOOD thing...at least, for me! :P I suspect that if it is limited in its availability, folks will be less likely to run the guns into the middle of the defending infantry lines. Of course, if we check the other available shells, we find the following: "The SHRAPNEL or CASE SHOT is a hollow cast-iron shot, forming a case which is filled with musket balls. Melted sulphur or resin is poured in to filled up the interstices and secure the balls in their positions. After this solidified, a portion of the contents if bored out and the vacant cylindrical space filled with powder..." The number of musket balls for each gun differed; a Six-Pounder shell had 37 balls, a 12-Pdr. had 76 and a 24-Pdr. had 175.

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At a local cemetery I found two rifled cannons, the ID #s are clearly visible, Is there a way to use those #s to research the history of those guns?

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Kerflumoxed wrote:
BOSTON wrote:
Professor

Many batteries in TC2M carry in excess of 100-150 and more rounds. To be specific I'd have to go fire up the game to take notes as to which battery had what.

BOSTON
If we add up the 50 rounds per chest for both the 10# Parrott and the 3" Ordnance Rifle which totals 200 rounds per gun, that figure is not so far off. On the other hand, since we never see the caissons that accompanied each gun, and if they were not available, then each of these guns would only have 50 rounds! I suspect, however, that it was simply not possible to include each and every caisson as that would possibly "slow" the game.

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Went back to the first Pope scenario in TC2M and got these #s;

Von Steinwhr Div. Dieckman 10 lb. Parrots 120 rounds
6 lb. Model 1841 195

Weidrich 10 lb. Parrots 120
12 lb. Howitzer 150

Schurz Div. Johnson 12 lb. Wiard 120
6 lb. Wiard 195

Both Union and Confederates had the same tally for rounds for similar guns.
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I'm curious. Often times, commanders seem to have a spare mountain howitzer battery for detachment, in reserve, associated with headquarters, that never appear in OOBs!

What sort of guns would those be, and what range and ammunition would they fire?

In the Weapons file for G-burg, will there be mountain howitzers?

While we're at this, how about coffee-mill guns!
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I've noticed in the Fredricksburg OOB, there are Dahlgren Howitzers, which start any Open Play battle with 36 rounds of canister, as compared to the Napoleons which start with only 12 rounds of canister. And most of the rifled guns start with only nine rounds.

I've also read that canister can damage rifled guns. Specifically, that it damages the rifling in the barrel.

Has anyone else ever read that?
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Ephrum wrote:
I've noticed in the Fredricksburg OOB, there are Dahlgren Howitzers, which start any Open Play battle with 36 rounds of canister, as compared to the Napoleons which start with only 12 rounds of canister. And most of the rifled guns start with only nine rounds.

I've also read that canister can damage rifled guns. Specifically, that it damages the rifling in the barrel.

Has anyone else ever read that?
Your note on cannister, was it in a official report?
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In regards to canister damaging rifled barrels, no, not in an official report. I read it sometime ago in the MMG Forum. It seems to make sense though. I owned a 12.gauge shotgun that had a 24inch rifled barrel, made specifically for slugs. The Gunsmith told me not to use Birdshot or Buckshot, because it would damage the rifling.

I brought it up to see if anyone else has read it. I was kind of hoping Kerfluoxed might have some insight on the subject. His "Manuals" seem to address and clarify so many questions.
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Ephrum wrote:
In regards to canister damaging rifled barrels, no, not in an official report. I read it sometime ago in the MMG Forum. It seems to make sense though. I owned a 12.gauge shotgun that had a 24inch rifled barrel, made specifically for slugs. The Gunsmith told me not to use Birdshot or Buckshot, because it would damage the rifling.

I brought it up to see if anyone else has read it. I was kind of hoping Kerfluoxed might have some insight on the subject. His "Manuals" seem to address and clarify so many questions.
To once again quote the manual:

"Cannister consists of a tin cylinder attached to a wood and filled with cast-iron shot." Each cannister varies in numbers of "shot" depending on the type of gun. Standard howitzers of the period contained 48 shot in each round. Each round had the shot packed in sawdust within the tin cylinder. The shot did not contact the bore; rather, it expanded and exited the cylinder after the round left the gun tube. Hence, no more barrel wear than other types of shot.

As to the shotgun, the pellets exit the shell case upon firing and "freely" move down the barrel. The shell case remains in the breech until it is ejected.

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