Splitting Commands

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Re:Splitting Commands

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norb wrote:
There is an issue with the split command that we have not solved. The command is in the game and does work, but the issue is still there.

I will illustrate the problem with infantry, since the terms are more known. If you are a brigade commander in charge of several regiments and you want to split some of these into their own unit, you have a problem. Say you split off 2 reg's and they get placed under a new brig comm, they are lost to you. You can no longer control them because the new brig comm is the same rank as you and you can only control units that are further down in the chain of command than yourself. So by splitting your strength, you actually lose those reg's. If you are a div comm, it's no problem, but at brig comm, there are many solutions, but no good ones that fit into the current structure of the game.
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Re:Splitting Commands

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Hopefully the above Screen shot displays, excuse me for being new at this.

In the command Rock there are two commands that are not listed on pages 88-89 of the game manual. I'm trying to replicate the Rock in a enlarged view to show the commands.

The two commands have a CO's silouete flag in each icon, with one icon with a - and another with a +.

These two commands need a little bit of explaining as to their use.

I know they have a splitting command function of sorts, but not clear about details. I'm sure there are many members out there that are as much in the dark as I am. B)

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Re:Splitting Commands

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We worked on this game for a long time and we have been adding features for 3+ years. I am sure that there is stuff that we not document sufficiently at the time. But it will all come out, that is why we're trying to get the SDK out in some form.
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Re:Splitting Commands

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BOSTON wrote:
screen0002

Hopefully the above Screen shot displays, excuse me for being new at this.

In the command Rock there are two commands that are not listed on pages 88-89 of the game manual. I'm trying to replicate the Rock in a enlarged view to show the commands.

The two commands have a CO's silouete flag in each icon, with one icon with a - and another with a +.

These two commands need a little bit of explaining as to their use.

I know they have a splitting command function of sorts, but not clear about details. I'm sure there are many members out there that are as much in the dark as I am. B)

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I believe you are talking about the attach and detach regiment commands. Using the detach regiment will split your brigade into as equal parts as it can and creates another commander of the same rank as the commander doing the split. Using the attach regiment asks you to select the regiment to attach, but only works if the regiment is detached from any commander at all. As Norb has said, splitting a brigade can cause you to permanently lose the regiments split off so should be used with caution.
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Let me take this one step further. Example; Take one detached Union 6 gun battery, split into 3 sections of 2 guns each, all with COs (Lt, Capt, ect.), then attach 1 detached section to infantry division (A), then attach the second detached section to infantry division (b) then finally attach the third section to infantry division (C). Turning those divisions into artillery striker divisions.

Two things; 1. Can a section of artillery be attached to a Union infantry division on it's own.

2. If 1. is acceptable, then each Union infantry division should be able to capture and keep CSA artillery, then add the captures to the Union artillery OOB.

Of course this could also be mirrored by the Union cavalry.

What do you think?

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Re:Splitting Commands

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Shirkon wrote:I believe you are talking about the attach and detach regiment commands. Using the detach regiment will split your brigade into as equal parts as it can and creates another commander of the same rank as the commander doing the split. Using the attach regiment asks you to select the regiment to attach, but only works if the regiment is detached from any commander at all. As Norb has said, splitting a brigade can cause you to permanently lose the regiments split off so should be used with caution.
I would be grateful if you could explain this a bit further.

I've just had a play with the feature and I've been able to split a brigade successfully. By detaching regiments from the initial brigade I can determine how many regiments will comprise the demi-brigade e.g. if there are five regiments in a brigade, if I detach three regiments then order the brigade commander to split his brigade, the demi-brigade will be formed from the remaining two regiments (so the demi-brigade will be one regiment strong). This is great as it's a rather useful if roundabout way to keep a few regiments in reserve.

I am a little confused about the "attach regiment" command, though. I can't get it to work. I have clicked the button and then chosen either attached or detached regiments from other brigades, but they do not switch brigades. So I can't, for instance, have a regiment from the Irish Brigade join another brigade. Am I attempting to use the command in the right way?

Furthermore, the attach/split command carries on right up to (at least) Corps level where I have the option to attach or split divisions, am I right in assuming that the only level these buttons work on is the brigade level?
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Re:Splitting Commands

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For anybody of interest of this subject, the command icons in question are circled in yellow in the above SS. Excuse all the schoolboy experiements on how to do Screen Shot postings.

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Re:Splitting Commands

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Are you hosting the pictures online, somewhere like http://imageshack.us/ ?

All you need to do is upload your picture to that website and it will give you a url. Put that url in your post between

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