Is it possible to make the terrain a little less blocky and blurry?

Destraex · Post by **Destraex** » Wed Jun 03, 2015 3:08 am

The terrain here from doom1 in 1993 is what both scourge of war and histwar terrain looks like to me. Completely out of place compared to the detail on the men.
The other dissappointing thing about scourge of war is that I originally got the impression it was possible to do 1:1 ratio. It turns out it would need modding and even after that various scales and tactics would not match up.

I know, I know. 70k men and so forth.... the real reason of course is they are small indy devs with their own engine and limited resources.

The more you zoom in to look at the fantastic troop detail the more horrible the detail looks on the terrain map.

I know total war only has about 8k men or more on the screen compared to the 70k in scorge of war. But scourge of war does not really show 70k men on the field (see above). In fact it may even be less than 8k due to the fact that SOW:W tends to hide terrain and units in a FOG of war to save processing power. So reality is it is hard to get that epic feel when it does not look like a battlefield and you cannot see the number of men on the screen that actually took part or even at lower ratios on the screen. That is the main reason I would play a game like this.... or why not just play counter games.

75,000 romans in the rome2 engine.

P.S. I guess I just answered my own question, I am a bit of a dreamer. This runs horribly and no surprise the terrain looks a little more like SOW terrain with 75k. Must get quantum computer....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1pWRaOIbn0

Jim · Post by **Jim** » Wed Jun 03, 2015 4:20 am

When we all have quantum computers we will be running the Battle of Leipzig at a 1:1 sprite ratio and at 60 FPS. :silly:

-Jim

Little Powell · Post by **Little Powell** » Wed Jun 03, 2015 5:49 am

That's an older screenshot too. Like I said in another thread, the graphics have been enhanced from Gettysburg, higher res textures, shadows on the buildings. It's still the same map engine, but we have tweaked it and gotten the most out of it as possible.

Saddletank · Post by **Saddletank** » Wed Jun 03, 2015 11:53 am

Of all those screenshots you posted the SoW one is by far the best, especially in clarity, colour pallet and restraint. The Rome2 one looks awful, like a gaudy circus. Ugh.

Look at the quality of terrain detail in the screenshot of the 75k Roman army. No terrain AT ALL and poor, almost non-existent ground textures. If you played SoW on a huge flat pool table I suppose you could double the size of the armies as well. Also just look at the deployment of that army - no Roman army deployed like that, or ever fought with 16 legions in one battle. What is the point of such an exercise?

Also please try to stop focussing entirely on the look of games. What is Rome2's AI like? How does it play as a tactical battle simulator? How does it represent historical formations? A military chain of command? The answer to all questions is "cr*p", or "non-existent". I know which game I'd rather be playing.

The look of SoW is the least of its advantages. Its the rest of the game that counts, the things you don't see.

Destraex · Post by **Destraex** » Wed Jun 03, 2015 1:26 pm

Saddle my posts above reflect your argument below....

"Also please try to stop focussing entirely on the look of games."

Honestly I appreciate the other things but the terrain really does put a stopper on it for me. It really does hurt my eyes. I actually find it to be blurry and unclear making it hard to distinguish things. Something a good game has is consistency in art style. This is two unconventional styles mashed together. Sprites and doom1 terrain. Thats fine but for me it really does make me strain. I apologise since you have specifically told me to stop.

This game is so close to aces and perfection.... it is a soldiers right to complain!

Stellar Duck · Post by **Stellar Duck** » Wed Jun 03, 2015 11:49 pm

It's funny, really, the first time I saw a screenshot from Waterloo the first thing I did was to rush off and send a link to a mate of mine gushing about how great it looked.

Specifically it was one with some stream with some plants growing on the bank I think and I was absolutely delighted.

I still am. Been playing the Manassas map recently and I gotta say, it looks sooooo good.

Rome 2 is also perhaps the worst TW game to compare to as it's utterly gaudy and unrestrained. Nappy was a very pretty game as was Shogun 2, but Rome 2? Nah, I didn't care for its presentation at all.

Not to mention the dire game play.

Gunfreak · Post by **Gunfreak** » Thu Jun 04, 2015 12:08 am

I actally think the terrain is the best looking part of gettysburg, the sprites look a bit blurry when up close, but when you get the camera just right the infantry and terrain looks very realistic. I can spend quite some time looking through the binoculars at moving troops.

ushiri · Post by **ushiri** » Mon Sep 19, 2016 2:00 pm

Something a good game has is consistency in art style
!

This is actually a very false statement. It should be:

A good game is fun and enjoyable with lasting game mechanics.

Visual style does not make the game good.
1. Do you enjoy a very awesome sportscar without an engine?
2. Why have so many of humanity enjoyed " five in a row" if it was about the artstyle?

I recommend you to take a look at the mod NTW3 for Napoleon total war it´s a grea mod and the one I played before I found out about Norbsofts games.

Here is a video:
Battle for Jena
The Lordz mod collective page:
NTW3 mod download page

The reason I play Norbsofts games are: Chain of command and the courier system and the true line of sight that as for now only exists in Rome2, but if you dont care about those to much I think you will very much enjoy the mod above.
Cheers!

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