TC2M & the Frustrating Flags

[Farm Boy]

Amish John Keep On Dreamin !! LOL .. You Yanks Aint Gettin Any Of Them Confederate Flags... You'll Look Mighty Funny With All Them Ghost Flags Once Us Rebs Take All Yours...:laugh:

Jim - Some Kinda Transparent Clear Lookin Flag Would Work Good As A Ghost Flag..

I agree with Dale.. That would be a really really cool feature to have a battle summary screen page displayin all the flags you captured and the other side captured.. Kinda like another little victory within the battle.. Plus you can see the flags in a bigger view to get a better idea of what they really look like in more detail.. I would greatly enjoy this within the game..


Now for the flag capturing itself.. What would the terms of capture be ?? The flags in the civil war were one of the most important things to men and commanders.. It let the commanders view progress and movement.. All men followed it and retreated with it. Color Bearer was a deadly honor...

A "color detail" was usually assigned to each unit for the express purpose of insuring that the flag was properly displayed at the head of the unit, and great sacrifice and extremes were made to insure the safety of the flag. Even accounts of men tare'n it apart and handin out pieces of it to fellow soldiers so it wouldnt be captured.

A regiment's flag was carried by a color sergeant who was the central man in the color guard. A color guard was composed of five to eight corporals whose job was to protect the color sergeants and the flags of the regiment. The regiment's flag was a great source of pride in each regiment and to lose the flag in battle was a great disgrace. The capture of an opponent's flag was, in turn, a great honor.

So it certainly is no easy task for a flag to be captured..

So here is captured terms I think work best

In Surrender
In Route
In some case of a Charge


To just randomly capture a flag when your any distance away is fake and unrealistic..
So it should be in pshyical contact of a charge. Which ever regiment retreats from the charge has some kinda percentage chance of havin there flag captured as they retreat..

In route that regiment is no longer playable as its destroyed so you should auto gain there flag as well if they surrender...

Also in many cases flags were recaptured on the battlefield.. So there should be a way to recapture your flag if it was lost in a charge !!! Such as if the regiment that captured it is routed or surrenders the regiment that lost a flag to them gets there flag back but only if the regiment that lost it is still usealbe or if you charge them again you could possibly recapture it..

I agree on the moral boost for that regiment that captures a flag in any 3 of the ways... and a moral loss for the regiment that loses there flag in a charge..

Thats My 2 Cents On It To Make It Accurate And Real As Possible ...

Farm Boy

[Amish John]

Farm Boy,

Those are some great insights. Keep the ideas coming. It's apparent you know a good bit about the ins and outs of the regiments' color guards. What's you civil war history background?

John

[Hancock the Superb]

Very nice, Farm Boy! I agree with you (just not on the Rebs capturing Yanks flags).

[BOSTON]

I'm pretty sure that subject has already been addressed.

[tim]

We don’t have brigade flags in at the moment – it depends on time and memory limits.

Also we only have the one rebel flag in the game as the differences among CS flags are (a) not visible at the level of detail we are using and (b) very poorly documented. While one might be able to provide a specific answer for one selected CS regiment, the information does not exist for the very large majority of CS units. The only sure answers are for those flags that were captured at GB and where we can establish that a specific flag is the one captured.

Jim is the flag expert and I've paraphrased him above. Obviously there will be different research and views but within the game we also have time and memory limits. I've just gone through an exercise of cutting out some graphics to run the game smoothly. They were all extra items that have no impact on the visuals but computers do have limits I'm afraid.

The flag capture sounds an interesting idea - maybe not actually on the battle itself but you could be said to capture one by some slim chance (it was pretty rare I believe) and it appear in a victory page.

Being English my expertise lies with your mother country - I think you lot should all being carrying the Union Jack anyway

[BOSTON]

Tim

Maybe you should start work on an ARW game, then we could settle the flag issue from there. All the Union Jacks would be in American hands.B)

Hoistingman4

[tim]

hoistingman4 wrote:

Tim

Maybe you should start work on an ARW game, then we could settle the flag issue from there. All the Union Jacks would be in American hands.B)

Hoistingman4

Indeed they would - because all American units would be part of the victorious British Army . Although being English I'd call it American War of Independance rather than a revolution.

- aren't the English amazing - we can lose a war and yet we still beleive it was somehow a mistake that should be or will be rectified and actually didn't really happen! :blink:

[BOSTON]

tim wrote:

hoistingman4 wrote:

Tim

Maybe you should start work on an ARW game, then we could settle the flag issue from there. All the Union Jacks would be in American hands.B)

Hoistingman4

Indeed they would - because all American units would be part of the victorious British Army . Although being English I'd call it American War of Independance rather than a revolution.

- aren't the English amazing - we can lose a war and yet we still beleive it was somehow a mistake that should be or will be rectified and actually didn't really happen! :blink:

The only time I know of that Americans carried the Union Jack in victory was in the French/Indian War prior to the ARW. If Torries in the ARW carried a Union Jack during ARW they were not around for long. I do see a ralationship of ideals that the English and Confederates share after losing a war, it's hard to accept the results, which I say without candor.

Hoistingman4

[Farm Boy]

Amish John wrote:

Farm Boy,

Those are some great insights. Keep the ideas coming. It's apparent you know a good bit about the ins and outs of the regiments' color guards. What's you civil war history background?

John

Amish John,

Thanks !! I always try to have good idears. My civil war history backgound is purdy deep in my hertiage I have some family back down the line that fought in the civil war and one developed a few things.. I'll have to get all the info together and some pics and post it as a thread on here... I have been to alot of battlefields and I read a ton of stuff about the civil war all the time..

Hancock the Superb - Very nice, Farm Boy! I agree with you (just not on the Rebs capturing Yanks flags).

Thanks Hancock !! Lol well human pride makes it hard for people to admit things kinda like when all us rebs capture them yank flags of yours.. lol


Farm Boy

[dale]

Well, here is a post that ties the threads of captured flags and the Amercican Revolution together--

Colonial Williamsburg (Dewitt Wallace Museum) is exhibiting through July the very rare captured colors of American regiments from that war. The four flags were captured at Charleston, SC in the successful British seige and were kept by the family of the British general at Charleston as private war trophies. This is the only time that the colors will be shown in public in their 225 history. After the showing the colors will be returned to the private collection of the British family.