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by charlesobscure
Tue Oct 19, 2010 11:22 pm
Forum: The American Civil War
Topic: Did Lincoln Start the Civil War?
Replies: 228
Views: 27301

Re:Did Lincoln Start the Civil War?

<r><QUOTE><s>[quote]</s>I was talking of America <I><s>[i]</s>during<e>[/i]</e></I> the Revolution. Not after they gained soverienty in the Treaty of Paris, but before, when the War was still in the making. For a time, America was not seen as an Independent Nation anywhere also. But did that stop th...
by charlesobscure
Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:04 pm
Forum: The American Civil War
Topic: Did Lincoln Start the Civil War?
Replies: 228
Views: 27301

Re:Did Lincoln Start the Civil War?

<r><QUOTE><s>[quote]</s>Well, it's been awhile since I have visited this forum, but I would like to throw in my two cents.<br/> <br/> I want to address two subjects that have been touched upon in the first page or so of this thread. The first would be the issue with Fort. Sumter; I am sure AC knows ...
by charlesobscure
Sun Sep 26, 2010 5:06 pm
Forum: The American Civil War
Topic: Did Lincoln Start the Civil War?
Replies: 228
Views: 27301

Re: Did Lincoln Start the Civil War?

<t>It's certainly understandable why Lincoln enrages certain scholars like DiLorenzo. The Civil War marked the beginning of the modern America, in the sense that the federal structure is now dominated largely by the federal government with a diminished role for the states. This fundamental shift was...
by charlesobscure
Sun Sep 26, 2010 1:55 pm
Forum: The American Civil War
Topic: Did Lincoln Start the Civil War?
Replies: 228
Views: 27301

Re: Did Lincoln Start the Civil War?

<r><B><s>[b]</s>Armchair General wrote:<e>[/b]</e></B> <QUOTE><s>[quote]</s>In the 1830s, when John C Calhoun was threatening secession over the Nullification Cris, Andrew Jackson stood up at dinner where Calhoun was present, raised his glass and said, "This Union, it must be preserved."<br/> <br/> ...
by charlesobscure
Sun Sep 26, 2010 1:02 am
Forum: The American Civil War
Topic: Did Lincoln Start the Civil War?
Replies: 228
Views: 27301

Re: Did Lincoln Start the Civil War?

<r><B><s>[b]</s>Armchair General wrote:<e>[/b]</e></B> <QUOTE><s>[quote]</s>Is it true that were war-profiteers in the North? Yes, it is very true. But it is also true there were people who were looking out for the well-being of over three million people held in bondage because of the color of their...
by charlesobscure
Sun Sep 26, 2010 12:59 am
Forum: The American Civil War
Topic: Did Lincoln Start the Civil War?
Replies: 228
Views: 27301

Re: Did Lincoln Start the Civil War?

<r><B><s>[b]</s>Braxton Bragg wrote:<e>[/b]</e></B> <QUOTE><s>[quote]</s><B><s>[b]</s>charlesobscure<e>[/b]</e></B><br/> <QUOTE><s>[quote]</s>the case is really not that critical as the major debate over the constitutionality of secession had been decided by the rifle.<e>[/quote]</e></QUOTE> As I th...
by charlesobscure
Sat Sep 25, 2010 11:57 pm
Forum: The American Civil War
Topic: Did Lincoln Start the Civil War?
Replies: 228
Views: 27301

Re: Did Lincoln Start the Civil War?

<r><B><s>[b]</s>Braxton Bragg wrote:<e>[/b]</e></B> <QUOTE><s>[quote]</s> <br/> It would be interesting to know when the Supreme court ruled?<br/> But having said all of this, I dont think anyone will ever agree on this argument, the answer will always be .......depends on which side of the fence yo...
by charlesobscure
Sat Sep 25, 2010 11:48 pm
Forum: The American Civil War
Topic: Did Lincoln Start the Civil War?
Replies: 228
Views: 27301

Re: Did Lincoln Start the Civil War?

<r><B><s>[b]</s>Braxton Bragg wrote:<e>[/b]</e></B> <QUOTE><s>[quote]</s>I think you missed the point! If the South wanted to leave the Union, and there were no slaves<br/> I dont think the Union would have let the South leave.<br/> The North would have invaded the south to force those states back i...
by charlesobscure
Wed Sep 22, 2010 10:51 pm
Forum: The American Civil War
Topic: Did Lincoln Start the Civil War?
Replies: 228
Views: 27301

Re: Did Lincoln Start the Civil War?

<t>I think the experience of General Cleburne illustrates this point. His suggestion to utilize slaves in the Confederate Army was met with much disapproval, one of the rationales being that if slaves were to be emancipated to further the war effort, it would at once contravene what the South was fi...
by charlesobscure
Sun Sep 19, 2010 10:00 pm
Forum: The American Civil War
Topic: Did Lincoln Start the Civil War?
Replies: 228
Views: 27301

Re:Did Lincoln Start the Civil War?

<t>I did not state the war was purely a constitutional argument. I said "on its face" the war was initially posed in constitutional terms, namely by the South. But such a viewpoint glosses over the real issue, slavery.<br/> <br/> I think one could argue that the demographics of the antebellum South ...